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Shelli Baltman and Fiona Stevenson:
Avoiding Burnout:


Shelli Baltman and Fiona Stevenson

Avoiding Burnout

Show Notes


The Idea Suite is a boutique agency that unlocks the creative potential of people and businesses through innovation, and on this episode of Unleashed, Shelli Baltman and Fiona Stevenson discuss how their innovation agency helps big companies deal with the challenge of pandemic burnout.

Key points include:

  • 03:51: What we mean by burnout
  • 08:49: Managing motivation and energy
  • 18:02: Monitoring and assessing team energy
  • 29:27: Gratitude specificity
  • 33:29: Dealing with self-improvement overwhelm


To banish burnout, visit www.energyforgrowth.com, you can also learn more about their business at theideasuite.com or connect with Shelli and Fiona through Linkedin.


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Will Bachman 00:02
Hello, and welcome to Unleashed the show that explores how to thrive as an independent professional. I’m your host Will Bachman. And if you go to umbrex.com and click on the Unleashed tab, you can sign up for the weekly email for this show. And I’ll tell you each week about all of the episodes. So you know, Blizzard, every single one, just the ones that are interesting to you. I am so excited to be here today with Shelley beltmann. And Fiona Stevenson, who are the partners that founded the idea suite, one of Canada’s top growing companies, and they have a new company that they are starting, and the website is going live today. And it’s called energy for growth. They’re going to talk about a upcoming free webinar that you are invited to and talk about burnout. So Shelley and Fiona. Welcome to the show.

Shelli Baltman 00:58
Thank you very much. It’s great to be here.

Will Bachman 01:00
All right. So shall we? Why don’t we just turn to you tell me about this idea for energy for growth? What what spurred the idea? what’s the what’s the kind of thinking behind it? What are you what service are you offering?

Shelli Baltman 01:15
Absolutely. So we’ve been operating the idea suite for six years. It’s a boutique innovation agency, and we have some of the world’s greatest clients, we’re very, very fortunate that we’ve had access to some amazing client organizations, some of the world’s biggest multinationals. And in conversation with those clients, we started to hear a common theme. And that thing was about their people struggling through the pandemic, but struggling in general as we move to a remote working environment. And so we started to do some research and found that 75% of the US population earlier this year, was showing signs and symptoms of burnout. And when you look at the research around burnout, it tends to affect achievers, you know, those of us who are amazing at what we do, we show up on zoom, we make sure we look the part and we’re prepared. But then if we’re not looking after our own energy, at some point, it takes a toll. And actually, if your best performers burn to burnout, your business performance is the next thing to follow. It’s a leading indicator of your business performance. And so we saw this need of people struggling to have the energy and the interaction and the connection that they had in the real working world in this either remote world or hybrid world. As we move back into the office, remote working is still going to be a reality that we experience. And so energy for growth is a response to that we have been talking about energy. And as an innovation agency energy is at the core of what we do innovation is actually really difficult. And so we have spent the last six years creating really high performing energized teams that deliver amazing innovations to the marketplace. And we’ve codified all of that into a program. So our first offering from energy for growth is a 12 week behavior change program to help people re energize themselves, to help them bring their best selves to work in a professional context. And also to teach them about how to create a virtuous cycle of team energy with mindsets and behaviors and approaches and ways of working, that really create a virtuous cycle of energy in a team environment.

Will Bachman 03:26
Okay, fantastic. Fiona, let me turn to you. What do you see as the root causes of burnout? What is burnout? What are the root causes? And maybe we don’t need to back the whole thing in one question. Let me just stop there. So like, what are the causes of burnout? And what do we even mean by burnout?

Fiona Stevenson 03:51
say, Well, I mean, there’s burnout sort of new phenomenon, right? So I think we’ve all sort of, you know, been stressed before kind of teetered on the edge before. But I think really the uncertainty of the past year, and the kind of like, you know, the world as we know, it completely changed. So much of our life is working, and like showing up and seeing our colleagues and all of that, and it completely changed. We were forced to kind of come together, find whole new ways of working, and we were all sort of like, you know, united in this, okay, like, we’re gonna get through this together. And we saw initially, there was this kind of like team rallying, if you will. I mean, for us as business owners, we saw, you know, our business that was thriving, we were on a plane every week, you know, we were all about kind of like workshops facilitating in person, and suddenly we saw the pandemic happen, everything froze, project started to get canceled or postponed. And it was like, Oh, my gosh, will we be able to keep everyone? Where do we go from here, but we did kind of rally as a team and we said, we have a mission. We want to keep this business alive. We want to keep people employed, and that propped us up for a while. But that only lasts for so long. And I think what we found is, you know, come sort of the summer when people are pushing pushing and pushing, they maybe took some time off after working kind of straight for four months. And then they came back to it. And there was this bit of like, who Wow, okay, now I’ve kind of used up the reserves. And there’s more expected of me. And while I didn’t really fully get to recharge as much as I want, and you’re waiting for this pandemic, to sort of like take a turn, you know, for the positive. And it seems like the light at the end of the tunnel keeps shifting and changing. And so that’s where we are sort of now and Shelley can talk a little bit more about this, but there’s kind of like, I didn’t really get to fully recharge, I’m still in this, there’s no real end in sight. And every time I think I’m moving in one direction, there’s these little triggers that tell me, oh, you know, it’s not gonna be over in three months, it’s not six months, or the world is I knew it might never be the same. And that’s bringing up a lot of kind of feelings of grief and loss. And again, more uncertainty.

Shelli Baltman 05:52
And I think a lot of people have tried to do you know, self care or meditation or taking a little bit of time off, but it doesn’t help the way they expect it to, essentially what’s going on is we are missing a lot of the tools that we use to use to recharge our energy and really get back to a place where we can be productive and efficient and kind of make things happen. And the reason that’s true is because we’ve lost the commute to work where we might have got things done or kind of ruminated on a problem. We’ve lost, you know, our connection with our teammates, where you have those casual conversations in a hallway, or you get together and kind of talk about some personal stuff before after the meeting. And we’ve lost the opportunity for affirmation, praise, you know, all of those little things that really recharge our energy, zoom conversations tend to be much more transactional business focus. And so we really need to take ownership as leaders and team leaders, we need to take ownership of our own energy. And we need to take ownership of reinserting in a much more kind of structured way, some of those interactions and sources of energy into the way that we work with our teams and

Will Bachman 07:04
our people. Okay, so do you have a kind of overarching framework of what, you know, are the sources or what are the necessary preconditions? To have that energy? I’m thinking about a framework that I found powerful, which was in the book by Daniel Pink, called drive, which I’m sure you’ve you’ve, you’ve looked at as one of your sources as you go. And I think if I remember that correctly, there was three circles. And you know, the three conditions you need to meet are remembering it’s, and you correct me or autonomy, purpose. And I think the last one was maybe competence or skill level at what you’re doing. And I found that that was a powerful framework, to help me understand motivation, where you could be in one job where you could change. You know, for example, for me, when I was at McKinsey doing relatively similar stuff to what I did as an independent consultant when I left, but when I left, I had much more autonomy. So even though the, you know, the purpose was somewhat similar, like, you know, helping clients succeed, etc. And the skill levels I go is identical work, I had much more autonomy as an independent consultant than as a firm member. And for me, personally, that was very important in my own motivation. So like, do you are you do you have some sort of framework that you’re working on or sort of what are these preconditions for motivation? Either you have something similar to Daniel Pink’s, or maybe you’ve come up with your own approach?

Shelli Baltman 08:49
Yeah. And I think they’re subtly different motivation and energy, if subtly different. And so we’ve done a lot of research. You know, when people talk about energy, they tend to focus on personal energy. And there are lots of different models for that. So there are models, you know, our model looks like this, we talked about, we talked about connection, as one of the first things so really relating and kind of being with other people. We talked about physical energy. We talked about managing emotions. So when something happens, how do you manage, you know, maybe some of the negativity that you’re experiencing in the world today? You know, what do you do with that? We talked about motivation and purpose. So that absolutely factors in we talked about clarity and focus. So your ability to kind of really focus right down in on to a task at hand and that is energizing, achieving flow, etc, and not being distracted. And then the sixth factor of personal energy, his contribution. So I don’t know about you, obviously, we all know giving back is a good thing to do, but actually what it does is energizes us as individuals so our personal Energy framework has those six factors. But that’s not enough, you know, if you are filling yourself up, but then you go into an environment where you kind of get dampened or things are difficult for you, that’s not going to really be helpful. So we have two other things that you have to think about. The second one is professional energy. So that’s all about how you show up at work. Being your authentic self, you know, being open and vulnerable, as a leader, and really thinking about your personal brand, if you want to call it that in the workplace, um, how you show up, what is your image, how do you make sure you get recognized, etc. And then the final factor in energy is team energy. You know, the way that you work with your team, and whether that’s a client team, or you know, your team that you’re actually working with as a consultant. That’s really, really critical. And so we have three foundations of team energy, which are all about, again, meaningful connections, so having personal relationships with your team, so you know, they’re on your side, decide and do, which is the ability to make decisions and make things happen, and positive intent. And that should go without saying, but the foundations of team energy are also that assuming that everyone in your team, even if they do something that you don’t align with or agree with, is coming from a good place, they’re doing it ultimately for what they feel is a good result. And then we have six behaviors that go along with Team energy as well. And so they kind of make up our model of energy. And we do also talk about, and this is a really critical thing, when you talk about energy, sometimes people can go to the very like, you know, well being side of the energy equation. But actually, energy is a really critical factor at work. So if you look into some of the research, you’ll see that energy is a key element of decision making. And if you make a whole bunch of decisions all the way throughout the day, by the end of the day, your brain is like a muscle, it’s exhausted. And so if you don’t have energy, the science shows that you actually make less good decisions. And so if you are out in the world, for example, as a leader, if you get asked to make a decision about a new investment in the afternoon, if you’re tired, if you’ve kind of been at it all day, and you’re running from meeting to meeting, you’re more likely to make an impulsive decision at the end of the day, which may mean defaulting to the status quo. Or it may mean giving the green light to something that doesn’t actually have all the data there. And so, energy in the workplace is critical to making good decisions on a consistent basis. And so if you don’t look after the your energy and the energy of your team, you will have less success in the business world.

Fiona Stevenson 12:46
And a lot of this actually comes from the fact that so you know, we worked for many years, and continue to work as an innovation agency, our job is often kind of helping companies solve the unsolvable problems, or the tricky problems, right? The stuff that they’re like, we can’t figure this out, you know, can you help us get there, or, you know, more commonly, we need to launch, you know, 10 new products over the next two years that are going to deliver $100 million of growth each, you know, here’s the team go. And so what we’ve learned from that experience from doing hundreds of projects is, yes, there’s a design thinking framework, we have our own six step proprietary process, which isn’t that much different than, you know, most of the design thinking frameworks, but processes, only 50% of it. So you can’t just like kind of take, you know, a process that’s proven, and then throw a team into it. And it’s going to spit out amazing results. So we found that really at least 50% of it is the experience, the whole innovation journey that we take that team on. And a lot of that is about, really at the beginning, asking for demonstrating and helping nurture those behaviors and mindsets that build creative energy, because it is that combination of a winning process, and then this great energy that kind of fuels the team, where at the end of it, they’re like, wow, okay, we got, you know, the 100 million dollar ideas we need, they scored exceptionally well. We feel like we really gel as a team, and we feel like we’re ready to go attack the next challenge. And that at the beginning, when we sort of started working with clients, and we asked them, what’s different about working with us? Or, you know, how do you feel kind of going through the process, and they kept saying to us, you really energize us, you guys bring a lot of energy, it was actually about the energy, which is funny because we thought we were selling kind of, you know, this, again, design thinking way of achieving, you know, these new brands and new services and things. But actually, we were kind of selling energy, if you will, as well. So that’s why this is not really a new idea. But it’s something that I think the pandemic has really sparked in us like, we have to start talking about this and moving on this more, because teams really needed it before and it’s been kind of a secret sauce always. But now people are, you know, in kind of a lower place than they might have ever been before.

Shelli Baltman 14:57
And that does lend itself to the invitation we wanted to do Extend to your to your community. Well, if now’s a good time, yeah, we are hosting the banish burnout summit on the fifth and sixth of May, it will be free to anyone in the Umbrex community will provide the URL in the notes. It’s banished, burnout, summit calm. And that is all focused on how to manage burnout. So all of the different aspects, there’s a group of speakers, we are doing a session and Fiona and I will be posting and emceeing but you will also see some world class authors and speakers talking about different ways to think about remote working remote leadership culture, how to manage grief, connection through play to lots of different topics that will really help people to avoid burnout for themselves and their team.

Will Bachman 15:47
Right, great. Well, and we will include that link in the show notes listeners. So if you want to banish your burnout, check out that link in the show notes. It sounds like a great session that you’ve that you’ve put together there. You know, your your thought your points around energy are making me think about how I run my own day. I, I don’t follow the advice that is sort of a typical productivity advice, which is, oh, you should, you know, identify the most important thing to do in a given day, or like the most three most important things, then you should do those first in the morning, before you do anything else. Like that’s sort of the, you know, advice that you see, which makes a ton of sense. I’ve managed my own day by, you know, making a list of all the stuff I got to do. And I write that by hand every day. And then I really can attack different tasks based on almost my energy at that moment. Like what’s my emotional energy right now? I mean, you look at the calendar, he says, Okay, well, I have 45 minutes until the next call, you know, which sort of tasks would take 45 minutes, but it’s also what’s the emotional energy at at that point, like, Oh, that’s like, this looks like a test that I don’t really want to face right now. I want to do something a bit more mechanical and straightforward and just update some kind of administrative thing or Okay, now I’m fresh. I just got back from Iran, I can, I can grab hold of this. This thing I’ve been dreading and putting off for a while. So like, I’m paying attention to that myself over the course of a day. How do you talk? How do you think about? assess? You talked about you bring a lot of energy, your clients so good? Is it purely subjective? Or do you have ways to assess the energy level of an individual or a team? Like you’re talking about team energy? Are there ways that you think about measuring that or assessing it or some kind of tool to kind of gauge where we’re at right now?

Shelli Baltman 18:02
Yeah, absolutely. And, in fact, we are launching the energy index, and we can include the URL URL to that in the show notes as well. So there isn’t a great tool to measure energy there, we were out there in the world and looking for it. There are tools that measure burnout. And there’s a lot of academic research on burnout. But there isn’t the kind of opposite tool to measure energy. And so we have created that we are working with a top quantitative research agency to really help develop measures of burnout and energy together the yin and the yang, if you will, so that we can actually create an energy index. And so we will give you the URL to that as soon as it launches so that you can absolutely measure your own energy. And we look at that in several ways. So we look at that in work, where’s your energy and work? Where’s your energy in life, because they obviously impact each other. We also look at it in terms of how is work making you feel, and how is your team making you feel. And there are also a few physical manifestations of burnout that we we want to track and measure as well. So that is something that is literally in developing, we’re kind of doing the iteration at the moment to test and kind of optimize it. So it’s a super simple metric that will really be telling and something that you can measure over time. So I do think kind of to your point about finding the time of day that’s right for you. There are a few things to that. So the first thing is there are scientifically validated things you can do to improve your energy throughout the day. So whatever level you’re at today, you can lift that by putting a few simple habits and tools in place are really well so for example, and this is a basic one, but moving, you know 15 minutes of mindful cardio exercise. So getting your heart rate elevated. Each and every day has a material impact on your energy levels. Another one is connection, for example. So finding ways to, and here’s a great little habit, I would encourage everyone to adopt, take two minutes a day. And in that two minutes, reach out to somebody new. So someone new each and every day, and either praise them, or thank them for something specific. So praise them for something specific, or thank them for something specific. And through that connection, and that simple two minute action each day. First of all, you feel great, because you’re the kind of person that sends out Praise and Gratitude into the world, you then get these amazing responses. And they could be colleagues clients, you know, saying thank you to a client for something that they did that really matter to is hugely impactful in business development. So you get these amazing positive emails back. So you have this double whammy of kind of feeling great. And it really does transform your energy. On a daily basis, it has a massive impact on your sense of connection, which is critical to personal energy.

Fiona Stevenson 21:06
And we talk a lot about state management as well. So you know, the fact is, like I was saying, I actually had a terrible night’s sleep last night, I don’t know why, but I was like really struggling with insomnia. And so you know, I can’t sort of use as an excuse as I go through my 10 hours of meetings today. And so I have to kind of use my body to get me in state a little bit. So I know you know, it’s a little bit cheesy, like you hear about the super superhero poses and things like that. But you know, before each meeting, I’m just making a point of getting up and whether it’s doing some jumping jacks or something to get the blood flowing, using my voice. So that I can take my energy level, which might honestly be a two out of 10. And at least bring it up to a five out of 10. And that’s not like a falsity it’s not like, you know, I’m just going to pretend it’s a five, but it’s actually through doing all that movement and stuff. If I actually step back and think, well, I would have said it too, I’m now feeling like more of a five or six, that’s a pretty big shift with 30 seconds and just jumping jacks before a meeting. So there are some little tricks and stuff to hack it. But I think the way you’re approaching your to do list is honestly really, really smart. Because I’m finding these days, there are some types of work that I actually find can be very nurturing, when I just need to sort of be nurtured, that are very energizing when I want to bring myself up and then work that can really suck my energy. And so I need to do it when I’m not kind of a nine or 10. So I think actually being very intentional with your to do list to say, here it is, you know what type of tasks, maybe even bucketing those tasks into kind of the type of energy required. And matching that with your state end point is a quite smart system. Well, that you’ve been going there.

Shelli Baltman 22:42
And I think the other thing, that obviously I don’t know if you practice zero inboxing in your email system, or maybe. But, you know, one of the issues that with the pandemic in particular is because we are in a remote working circumstance. So most teams are using either slack or teams to have those pinging instant messaging going back and forth. You have your emails, ping up and notifications, you have social media pinging up and having notifications from that point of view. So one of the biggest energy stops is distraction. And so the concept of blocking time for your deep work, and really thinking intentionally about you know, there are moments in the day when spending an hour on your emails and responding to things is very valuable time spent. And if you can think about when the most productive time for things like emails and responding to people is you can then keep blocks of your time to focus on the deep work that you need to do where you can turn off your notifications turn off your email turned off. Oh, no, it’s it’s sacrilege to turn off your teams or your Slack channel. But just give yourself some space to not be distracted. So when you get into a task, it often can take 10 to 20 minutes to kind of get into the task and start to like, create the structure and the framework. If you then get pulled out of that task to answer an email or take a phone call, it can take you another 10 to 15 minutes to get back in a second time. And remember your train of thought and what you were doing if you’re doing deep work. And so that’s the other thing that people don’t take into account when they’re thinking about their energy levels is that if you really focus and you give yourself some distraction free time for a limited period of time, so not indefinitely but a a kind of hour chunk or 45 minute chunk whatever works for you, you can get a lot more done. And then a task can actually take less time than it would if you allow yourself to be distracted and get pulled down into your email system.

Will Bachman 24:53
Okay, yeah, no, I was laughing about your point about zero inbox because I have the opposite. I have the opposite approach. I never delete an email. So I think I have 79,687 emails in my inbox right now. But I think that that’s because it doesn’t go into six digits. So I think it’s actually 179 or 270,000. And I can understand that people who spend effort deleting emails and to seems like busy work. But nevertheless, in terms of some other practical tips and what maybe we could go through some of the areas and just share for listeners who maybe they won’t be able to get to the Vantage burnout summit. Like what are some of the the key practical tips that we can implement in the day to day, and we maybe we just go through like those six areas that that you talked about. And you mentioned one for connection, you know, I like the idea of just sending someone a nice, thank you note, handwritten notes are great, you know, if you have some, one, one tip that I’ve recommended before, is if you have some nice, customized printed stationery, like already printed in at your desk, and you have some stamps, it just reduces the barrier to sending a handwritten note, which really, I think can can raise someone’s spirits, you know, and they get it and just make someone day. And you mentioned sort of sending an email or or maybe a recommendation on LinkedIn or, or maybe if you’re a podcast listener, writing a five star review of some show on iTunes,

Shelli Baltman 26:35
just make sure to do that for years, as an example,

Will Bachman 26:37
is a random example. But when some other ideas be around energy, maybe you can go through your list.

Fiona Stevenson 26:45
Yeah, turn into Shelley in a second, because she’s got some really good ones. But I think, you know, generally this whole reducing friction thing that you mentioned, like having the paper right there it Shelley will talk about her running shoe example. But in general, you know, if you’ve read atomic habits, and this whole idea of you know, sometimes like setting these massive goals, and kind of just like, you know, I want to run a marathon, okay, what do you do with that, you got to start small, right? With these tiny habits, that over time, all those little 1% habits will lead to exponential change over time. So you know, part of our program is really we call it a behavior change program, our signature energy for growth program versus a training program, because yes, we are giving you content, yes, we are giving recommended tools, but ultimately, it’s about participants really taking ownership for what they need, and identifying as part of it, what are those tiny habits that they can really integrate into their lives super easily, that will be transformative over time.

Shelli Baltman 27:43
And 45% of our daily behaviors are habitual. And if you think about it, you know, you wake up in the morning and you execute a series of routines you probably don’t even think about. And that is what we do to preserve our energy, we create a suite of habits that just happen automatically. So that when when it comes to a real decision we have to make, we can expend some energy doing that, and we actually have energy leftover. So the trick with improving your energy is to stop habits and to kind of add to your existing routines and you know, approaches to life. And so we would encourage you to really little things and connect them to your existing habits. So for example, you know, if you every morning, you wake up, you take a shower, and then you go make yourself a cup of coffee, we would encourage you to think about like before I take my first cup of coffee, I am going to and then put in whatever new habit you think you want to add to your routine, so that you then get to have the reward of having your first sip of coffee and incorporating your new habit in that. And so the examples of the habits, we talked about one for connection, we talked about one for physical energy, in terms of emotional energy and motional management. You know, I think gratitude is a practice that you hear about all the time. So very well documented, but a lot of people are doing it incorrectly. So I started with gratitude. I was always like, why does the gratitude work for me, I don’t understand, like, I do it all the time. I’m grateful for my family. I’m grateful for my child. I’m grateful for my parents. I’m grateful I have

Fiona Stevenson 29:15
started a business Shelly was like, let’s do gratitude emails every morning. But she sent me the same email every day and like I’m grateful for my family, you are business like I don’t need this in my inbox anymore. It’s the same thing every day.

Shelli Baltman 29:27
The evidence shows that if you want and look you know to help you manage your emotions, if you want to have gratitude work for you. What you have to do is you have to be grateful for something specific. That’s happened in the last 24 hours and you have to connect with why you’re grateful for it. So not I’m grateful for my son, which of course I hope most of us his parents are although in their schooling at home, I think some of us may feel differently, but you have to be like I’m grateful that he spontaneously gave me a hug last night and That made me feel love. So now what you’re doing is you’re connecting to that feeling of love. And it’s helping you to train your brain to focus on the positive. Because we are five times more impacted by negative experiences than we are by positive stuff. So gratitude, the practice of gratitude has actually been shown. If you do it every day for six months, it can move people from their setpoint of kind of pessimism, up through to an optimistic mindset, it actually changes and pessimism and optimism have long been thought to be genetic, kind of a genetically impact for I guess that it’s a genetic predisposition to pessimism or optimism. And gratitude has actually been shown to be one of the only things that can actually change your pessimism or optimism setpoint over time. So that’s another great example of a very simple habit, if you haven’t seen, there’s a five minute journal that you can get on Amazon, I use it, I think it’s a super easy way to make sure that you build gratitude into your life. And if you do it specifically, and kind of really focus on the reasons why it will have a massive impact on your optimism levels over time. Now,

Will Bachman 31:19
we’ve talked about some things you can do that you can add, to improve your energy level, I’d like to hear your thoughts also about subtraction, which can be also very powerful. I found in my own life, you know, sometimes subtracting things can help really with your energy. So I stopped reading the news, for example, back in, after January six, it was just too stressful for me, and I would get, like, caught up in these narratives. And, and frankly, I’m not gonna go and, you know, solve and, you know, affect the vote in Congress. So getting like, super bought, you know, wrapped up around whether a given bill is gonna pass or, you know, some politician is going to resign, it just, it just sucks energy out of my day. So I and I found, like, stop reading Twitter, stop reading all the news was huge for my like peace of mind. And some of you might say, Oh, well, you know, you’re not, you know, being aware of what’s going on in the world, I’d say actually gives you a very distorted view of the world. So you can probably learn a lot more about what’s going on in the world by reading a few random articles on on Wikipedia, than reading the front page of most newspapers. So that’s one and then another one that I’ve done is cutting out sugar, which just causes peaks and valleys in your energy level over the course of the day. And, and I found helps me, and then I cut out coffee in the morning most days and shifts that to tea. For my first I’ve coffee later in the day, but then that like is a little bit more of a gradual ramp up to my caffeine level. So what are some other things that you’ve seen or recommend that people think about eliminating to create space in the day? Because you can’t just keep adding and adding and adding more practices? Oh, let me do this journal and that journal in this practice, and like, send this email and send this note to people like, you can’t just keep shoving more stuff into the sock, right?

Fiona Stevenson 33:29
Yes. And there’s a lot of overwhelm that people are dealing with right now. And it is an overwhelming list of books, to read the list of podcasts to listen to the list of like, you know, people to communicate with, like all these things, and you know, you will never get to it all. So there does also need to be some elimination, Shelly, and I can definitely talk a lot about this right now. Because we’re in a group of entrepreneurs who are going through if you’ve heard of a hard 75 before 75 hard, so 75 hard, which we did not do, we weren’t a boulder brave enough for that one. But it’s a pretty stringent kind of a regimen for 75 days, which involves, I don’t know if they’re hard and fast rules, but for most people, it’s no sugar, no alcohol, is it like 75 minutes of working out a day, maybe the same number of minutes of being outside per day. So it’s like, quite heavy, what we’re doing with a group of entrepreneurs who kind of want it to go through it, but a little bit of a reduced way is medium 50. And it is a combination of adding some habits so like reading 10 pages of fiction or nonfiction a day, you know, maybe listening to an inspirational podcast, connecting with someone going outdoors. Usually exercise is something people are adding and then they’re taking away the common ones are seeing or sugar or taking away like the daily tree right like the daily glass of wine. I think there are a lot of pandemic behaviors that became like just, you know, the drink the ice cream like soothe myself. And a lot of people have said you know, it’s not really a treat, when you’re doing it every day ultimately so returning to those are my treats for weekend, but I’m going to take those out of my week, you know, take the third or fourth or fifth coffee out, what are the other ones that we see most commonly,

Shelli Baltman 35:08
I think the other thing is to really look at your day and think about the things that suck your time and suck your energy. So the most obvious one is social media, no social media has been proven to cause depression, basically, you know, if we look at social media, a lot of it is designed to show Pete the kind of the highlight reel of someone’s life, you know, people don’t publish the like day to day grind of working every day or doing their laundry, you know, it’s not very exciting to put that on social media. So when we’re on a social media site, we either see you know, people’s best selves, we see ads that tell us we’re not good enough, and the business we’re running isn’t big enough, or whatever it might be. And we see people’s highlight reel, and it makes us feel bad about where we’re at with these things we’re not doing.

Fiona Stevenson 35:53
And these days, we are much more sensitive to those kinds of triggers. And so I think you with kind of eliminating the news, like especially that kind of like, you know, the apple news that comes across your screen, and it’s like, you can’t control what’s there. And suddenly, that triggers something for you, or seeing, you know, a social media post that for some reason upsets you. So it is being more intentional with what you’re consuming, and kind of you can go out and find your news. But to just kind of be a recipient of whatever comes to you is difficult. And that’s why a lot of what Shelly and I talk about in personal energy is around this emotional regulation, like how do you help, you know, make yourself resilient, if you will, to some of those triggers and things that happen, and try to you know, recover and bounce back from those more quickly.

Shelli Baltman 36:36
And it’s not a kind of a hard and fast rule for everyone. It’s about everybody looking at their day, and how they spend their time. And I would suggest people do a little bit of a crunch time on it, where they look at your few days of the workweek, and kind of look at where they start to lose time because it does happen, you can lose time in your email, you know, when you get a newsletter, you kind of wander off into that rabbit hole of interesting, interesting material that you might find from one of the newsletters you get. And so it’s looking at how you spend your time, which parts of the time you spend bring new energy and you see is productive, valuable and good for you. And which parts of your time do you see as unproductive or kind of wasteful and thinking about how to cut those out. You know, if if watching you know something on Netflix really brings you energy and recharges the great go do it. If you’re spending three to four hours binge watching your favorite series that might not be the most productive thing to do. And you might find other ways to use that time that could be more productive and more energetic.

Fiona Stevenson 37:36
And there is something to be said for making that list of what are the you know, five ish things that I wanted, you know, subtract or add to my life doing it with a group of people. So every time we sort of, you know, fall off the wagon a little bit it’s like oh, I’m back to day one and someone else in the group might be as well and there’s a bit of like you know, emotional support in that. We also use an app like some of us have used are you using it Shelley the the done app, so you can actually like put your habits in there and you get that little like tracking of I did them all or I didn’t, which kind of motivates you as well and keeps you going?

Will Bachman 38:10
Fantastic. So for listeners that want to follow up and you know, either attend the banish burnout summit, or visit your website to learn more about your work. Where would you like to point them online?

Shelli Baltman 38:28
Absolutely you can find out about energy for growth on energy for growth calm launching today actually, the banish burnout summit is Spanish for note summit calm as well. And if you are interested in innovation and design thinking you can visit our website at VIP suite COMM And we will have all of the details of the energy index coming soon to a URL near you. But you’d find those at energy for growth calm when they’re available.

Will Bachman 38:54
Great. And that energy for growth. Is that the f o r or is that the number four? What’s how do we spell manage

Fiona Stevenson 39:01
to get the FLR with a bit of work? We’re pleased to have the actual word. Okay, great.

Will Bachman 39:07
So it’s energy, the word for f o r growth.com. energy for growth calm. We’ll include those links in the show notes and Fiona Shelley, thank you so much for joining today.

Shelli Baltman 39:21
Thank you. Well, it’s been an absolute pleasure. Thanks for giving us the opportunity. Yes, thank you.

Will Bachman 39:26
This is awesome. And listeners if you want to increase your connection energy and send out one of those positive vibes to the universe and would be inclined to give this show a five star review on iTunes. It does help people discover the show and just brightens my day so they could take you two minutes and I would greatly appreciate it. So Fiona Shelley, thanks for joining and we will include those links in the show notes.

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