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Amanda Setili:
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Amanda Setili

Fearless Growth

Show Notes

On her podcast, Fearless Growth, Amanda Setili interviews Mitali Chopra, UK Coach of the Year for best client results. They talk about her business and also about the karma equation for World abundance and why giving is such an important part of living. She talks about the nonprofit that she founded to help kids learn entrepreneurship by playing games. Amanda’s podcast can be found here http://bitly.bz/G5cKA.

Key points include:

  • 06:58: Overcoming fear
  • 15:51: How company culture can hold a company back
  • 23:32: Transitioning to other cultures
  • 26:58: The importance of continuous growth

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432.Amanda Setili

 

Will Bachman 00:01

Hello, and welcome to Unleashed the show that explores how to thrive as an independent professional. I’m your host Will Bachman and I am so excited to have here today Amanda Setili and Umbrex member back on the show. Amanda went through the Umbrex podcast accelerator earlier this year, and her podcast is now out there in the world on iTunes. Amanda, welcome to the show.

 

Amanda Setili 00:26

Thank you so much Will and thank you for the podcast accelerator, I would have never been able to do this without that program.

 

Will Bachman 00:32

Well, that’s very kind of you to say I’m sure that you would have but it’s great that it was helpful to some degree. You have written two books you’ve been on the show before talking about both your second book is fearless growth. Your podcast is titled fearless growth. And I’ll ask listeners, pause this episode right now go look up fearless growth on iTunes, mash the subscribe button. And then you come back here. So you can pause it in time. Amanda, tell us a little bit about the idea for your podcast and what kind of guests you talk to just give us a little intro.

 

Amanda Setili 01:08

Yeah, for years, I’ve been working on the concept of strategic agility how to help companies who are really good at what they do, but are in a fast changing business environment and how to figure out how to do something new and how to do it well, and soon. And so this podcast is for anyone whose business environment is changing fast, who would benefit from some ideas and some inspiration that can help their performance. I’m particularly interested in the idea of making work feel like play. It’s my belief that if leaders do their job, everyone should be really engaged learning constantly and enthusiastically contributing in a way that really fits them, you know, working in a way that where they’re in a state of flow every day. So that’s one of the concepts that I’m spending a lot of time exploring. And in this episode, I have natali Chopra, who is a veteran of PwC, GE Capital, Microsoft and GoDaddy. So she’s got experience across a lot of different corporate cultures. And now she’s a business coach in the UK. And it was just really interesting to hear from her, how the culture of those companies varies and how that affects their ability to be successful in

 

Will Bachman 02:22

a fast changing world. Fantastic. And Amanda, for people that want to find out more about your practice, tell them where they should go.

 

Amanda Setili 02:33

www subtlely.com. And it’s spelled s eg I Li and I also have a weekly article series on LinkedIn. So please find me on LinkedIn.

 

Will Bachman 02:44

Fantastic, we will include those links in the show notes. And now let’s play the tape. We’re going to listen to an episode of fearless growth.

 

Amanda Setili 03:01

We all want to do work that we love. And as leaders, entrepreneurs and employees, wouldn’t it be great to create workplaces where work feels like play, where people are tuned in to the changes going on in the world around them, where they’re constantly learning studying new opportunities and taking action to go after them. I’m Amanda subtlely. And this is the fearless growth podcast where my guests and I will explore the mindsets and choices that lead you and your organization to outstanding performance. My guest today is natali Chopra metallian I met through Marshall Goldsmith 100 coaches program and I’ve so enjoyed getting to know her. She was named UK Coach of the Year for best client results. She and I will talk about her business and also about the karma equation for World abundance and why giving is such an important part of living. She wants to talk about the nonprofit that she founded to help kids learn entrepreneurship by playing games. Welcome metalli Thank you, Matt. Lovely to be on your boat. The Telly. You’ve told me this before. But can you remind me when you moved to the UK from India? Oh, that was in 2015. Yeah, six years ago. My podcast is about fearless growth and how we can grow as individuals and grow our organizations. And one of my kind of core concepts, I guess is that people really need to be connected with their work. They need to be doing something that they really do well, that challenges them that makes them feel a strong sense of purpose, and where they’re appreciated. And one of the things I think can help people learn what that is, is to go back to their childhood. So I wanted to ask you what did you really love doing when you were 11 years old?

 

Mitali Chopra 04:54

That’s a great question. Oh, well, I have to go really back in the past 11 years. I think I love making friends. I love playing racquet sports. Yeah, I just love being with my friends and family. Very good. And

 

Amanda Setili 05:09

now you have a son. That’s a professional squash player. Oh, yes.

 

Mitali Chopra 05:13

Yes, he is. He’s actually a professional squash player in his category and plays for the English squad. Yeah,

 

Amanda Setili 05:20

that’s amazing. That’s you must be so proud of him. Thank you. So another question just to explore your interests. What do you wish you could explore more? If you if time were no issue? And you could just explore and something that you haven’t had time for in the past? What would it be?

 

Mitali Chopra 05:38

I think I would explore more of my creative side. I think that’s one thing, which somehow, and I don’t want to sound as if it’s an excuse, but maybe a lack of time, or, or maybe lack of focus. I haven’t explored that I would love to try a couple of things which I have been thinking of doing for a long time. Things like learning magic, I’m very fascinated by illusion. And I would love to I did a couple of classes to be honest. But I think I want to pursue it further. I love how magic and tricks and illusion works. I would love to learn illusion photography that’s on the list. I would love to do some creative work like with hands, we just pure like I had this dream of bringing fabrics of the world and maybe upholstering it make an ottoman out of it something which can be creatively done. Just Just want to do that. Yeah,

 

Amanda Setili 06:28

that’s such a great answer. I would like to introduce you to my friend someday, Mark Levy, who is the magician and also a branding specialists because he would enjoy talking with him. I would love that. Thank you. So this podcast is about fearless growth. And you strike me as a person who has never been afraid to take risks. Can you think of a story of a time when you were afraid to try something or afraid to head a new direction? And you overcame that fear? And if so, how did you do it?

 

Mitali Chopra 06:58

I love change, you know, I feed on it. And something that brings a lot of thrill and excitement in life on professional site. You don’t like my mother has been what’s next. So it just keeps driving. Yeah, and I feel Life is too short. And there’s so much to experience. So before we leave this planet, so I don’t feel fear at workplace, I do have my wobble times, you know, when I do get bit nervous or wobbly about things, but not deep fears. In professional, I’m very ready to experiment. But on personal life, I would say I did have an episode where I was more that was the most fearful time of my life. And I lived with that fear for 13 months, which was really exhausting. So when we talk of fear, I can only go back and relate to that. And and that was when my son was born. Amanda, he he had an issue with his leg. And I wouldn’t like you know, there was an issue because of which there was acute pain in his leg and the doctors had to see. And every time we used to touch his leg, he’s to cry, like shriek like a little baby and he was a newborn. So the doctors said that, while they gave us all clearance, but they said that you need to wait and watch till the time he starts walking because we have to constantly monitor this. And with that question mark, for a new mother. It was too much to live with every from the day he was born. And most of you know like the the kids his age started walking around 10 months, 11 months, 12 months, most of them and he was still not working. So it was only he started working at 30 after his first birthday, third and 13 months. And that fear was really really difficult, as well as exhausting, because I was helpless. I think that is what the most important thing, because I couldn’t do anything. I just had to wait and see what happens. But I do things that kept me going was one was this relentless faith like this will be fine. You know, that looks like we’ll be we’ll be out of it soon. And the second one was just visualizing that he will be running around and he will be doing things which you know, like, like a normal kid. And I used to visualize the Lord and now here we are after 16 years, he is a squash player to every time and which is the most you know, a very high fitness game. And when I see him on court even now, I my mind just goes back into that fear zone when when I was really praying, hoping and expecting that he could just walk and live a normal life. So yeah, that that’s something I would really share when we talk I feel

 

Amanda Setili 09:39

that’s such a fantastic example because I’m like you I typically am not afraid in a professional setting at all. But if I’m ever afraid of something it’s often to do with someone else and the biggest someone else would be my kids you worry more about them than about any anything else. So that thank you for sharing that story and I’m so proud that now he’s a professional athlete. That’s just such a great story. And I love your example about visualization, because I think that helps you, but it also helps that thing come true. So that’s good. Can you think of an experience a conversation or a transition in life that was particularly mind opening for you?

 

Mitali Chopra 10:19

The biggest transition was because I’m born and brought up I was born and brought up in India, and we maybe, you know, in 2014, something happened with cause which we thought, okay, we need to figure out what it is. And when we figured out it was nothing but midlife crisis. And the hyper positive person that I am, I wanted to convert that crisis into opportunity. And we thought, Okay, what lets us reconstruct our bucket list and see what do we want to do now in life, and we made a decision to try going and living somewhere else experience different culture, both workwise as well as you know, living wise and see what happens, like, you know, while it was a fun thing there, but I think that was very mind opening. And also, you just get a different kind of exposure. So when we moved from India to London, that was definitely a transition a big one. London is a fantastic city, because it is just not UK, it is a melting pot of so many cultures, and a very, very diverse set of people. So between three of like, you know, my family between three of us, my son, my husband, and me, we have friends, like friends we can go talk to, and not just acquaintances from 56 countries. Oh, wow, that’s amazing. Yeah, that’s, I mean, I don’t think so you can get that kind of exposure anywhere in the world. So, you know, right from countries in Africa to, I mean, of course, America, South America, or North America, like every place South Asian. So it is it is such a diverse place. And just by experiencing that diverse culture, there’s so many things you learn and experience. And one of my job when we moved here was to lead the UK and EMEA operations for GoDaddy. And I had a team of 90 people in Belfast, and we, we were serving 17, markets and 15 languages. So my team was very diverse as well. So I think that’s, that is very powerful. I mean, I never thought that that can be so powerful. I never imagined the power of just being with diverse set of people just being there.

 

Amanda Setili 12:39

It’s so wonderful. I was going to ask you later in the conversation, what some of your metrics are. Because one of the metrics that I’ve used the last few years is that I want to kiteboard 76 days a year, I found that having a really specific number has been helpful to me to just quantify how I want my life to be and I and I’ve hit that target. So that’s good. And it’s so great that you said, I know people from actual friends from 56 countries,

 

Mitali Chopra 13:08

that’s just awesome. between three of us not just my Yeah, my like, you know, including my son,

 

Amanda Setili 13:14

but it’s so great that you counted, you know, because it makes you really value that more than if you just said I know a lot of people from a lot of places, vague. So you meet these people through work through neighborhood through school, all sorts of places. Yeah. So

 

Mitali Chopra 13:31

you’re like my son, he his friends are from 22 countries. Actually, it was one of the fun exercises. We were just talking about our experience after a year when we came to London, and just three of us. And so his school is very diverse. His friends are from 22 countries. I had my team, which was so diverse. So we were counting that. And then my husband, he works for HSBC, and he has teams, right from Mexico to Hong Kong. So he has a very diverse team as well. So yeah, when we counted, it came to 56, which was very interesting for us. And you know, me, Amanda, with an engineering background. You and me. I mean, we we always with numbers, right to make it factual. Right.

 

Amanda Setili 14:13

I like numbers. That’s great. I know when we lived in Malaysia that, you know, there were people living there from all over the world as well. And that was one of the things that I found most fascinating about is you could just have a dinner party with people from so many different places and have such fascinating conversations. When we move back to the States. I was like, Oh, no, what you know, and luckily, we left Atlanta moved to Malaysia came back to Atlanta and and during that time that we were gone in the mid 90s. Atlanta became much more diverse so that was that was helpful. A true Marcus Buckingham, the creator of the Strength Finders tool defines a strength as an activity that makes you feel strong. What’s one of your strengths You’d like to use more in the future?

 

Mitali Chopra 15:02

I think my just my emotional question. So the EQ something, I would always want to always use more of it, the sensitivity with people, and just sensing how things are, and then taking a next step is, is that is something that I find it very useful, I find it very deeper. And yes, I’m a fact based person. But when coupled with the emotion, it just makes it very well rounded.

 

Amanda Setili 15:31

So you’ve worked for a really diverse set of companies, you’ve worked for PwC, for Microsoft, for GE, for GoDaddy. These are four very different companies with very different cultures. What did you find most powerful about each of these cultures? And what did you feel about their cultures held the company’s back?

 

Mitali Chopra 15:51

Actually, when I look back, they all indeed are very diverse companies. PwC is again, you know, cutting edge consulting organizations with bright talent, so always have to be leading the way GE very strong and people and Process Excellence. Definitely, it has been a talent factory and has exported talent to all industries. I mean, even now, in my network in different industry, I meet people from GE, Microsoft. Again, you know, that has been my favorite stint in my corporate life. And that’s all about technology to make world a better place. And everyone there lives and breathes that mission. GoDaddy, again, forefront of internet revolution that’s playing a very important role in getting small businesses have a web presence, which is the way to go and and the customer centricity is something which which is great. on the site that I think, you know, companies bad for GE, I would say they need they definitely need a reboot. Now I’m talking of my experience, then. So it’s been it’s been a while. However, just looking things from outside as well, I think that GE needs a reboot. Yeah, they’ve struggled. Yeah, they were doing so well. And now they it also because of the industries they’re in, but it just needs strong leadership, and then a reboot of the company that has very strong roots. So I think it should bounce back. Right, Microsoft, I think the machinery has become complex, something that they can go back to is the agility, which sometimes get lost because of the of the nature and and you know, the ship, just the machine getting bigger. So I think if they can bring back the entrepreneurial spirit, which is very, very strong, in early 2000. And again, build on it, that would be great. But they’re killing it. They’re smashing it on the technology side. And I love seeing it from outside as well. So yeah, right. GoDaddy, I think, besides the word customer focus, if again, talking from the early days, when I joined them, internationalization was definitely required. They just had to embrace it was happening. But it was more American company, which had almost very little knowledge of our world around. So but I think they’ve come a long way. And I think innovation and in products would be something that they should, again, you know, focus on,

 

Amanda Setili 18:13

I’ve used GoDaddy and I’ve been very pleased with their customer experience. They’ve kind of thought of it as the biggest web host company, or at least the one I hear about the most. And so I expected them to be impersonal. But they’ve actually been very helpful to me. I’m so

 

Mitali Chopra 18:28

glad you had a great experience. I was running the Care Center in India add me So yeah, I mean, that’s something which is, which is very deep in their culture, customer centricity and keeping customer in forefront, and especially the whole customer support organization, which is there.

 

Amanda Setili 18:44

So that brings me to my next question. You’ve held leadership roles in the UK, in India, even in the Middle East. And I just was wondering, the word cultures must be pretty different in each country, how did these cultures affect your ability to be effective,

 

Mitali Chopra 19:02

so one, just just acceptability of it. So So I love diverse cultures and people as you can make, like I might traveler and explorer as a person. So I love that so because I love that I look forward to it. So I’m not kind of shying away from it, I see it more as an opportunity to learn but some things which are very universal across people. And that’s my experience working with a diverse set of people. For things I would say one respect, generally human to human connect and treating each other with respect to something is common across cultures and new answers of cultures, which is which is interesting, but generally, it’s respect. The second is recognition. People love to be recognized any language any culture, and recognition. I don’t mean incentives and bonuses and parties. simple thing like you know, when something went well, or you know, we got a good customer appreciation, I would just walk out of my cabin. out on the floor and you just go to the person who did well and just give a pat on the back and and talk to them.

 

Amanda Setili 20:06

I totally agree. Totally. I tell so many people that I coach that just make a note to yourself that on a certain day of the week, Thursday or whatever, that you figure out something that somebody did well, that week, even if it was tiny, but was in the right direction, and just stop by their area, or now in the virtual world, give them a call and say, Hey, wow, you made progress. That’s really neat. Do you want to tell me any more about how you know what your next goal is? Or what your next struggle is? Because I’m so pleased with, with what you did this week, simple stuff is more powerful than the President’s club, or, you know, the formal things, I

 

Mitali Chopra 20:45

think, absolutely, absolutely. And I have got direct feedback from from people who felt that was their best moment at at, you know, during the, during their stay with the company, and I couldn’t even comprehend, because that was just a gesture. And even when they win a lot of prizes, and you’re like president club and all but they feel that those moments is something that they really, really value. So recognitions. And that is spot recognition, like you said, catch them doing the right things, and then appreciate simple. But yeah, it has to be practiced. The third thing I would say is Get Genuine, honest care that you really will be there for them and catch their back. And that has no single way of doing it. But it’s, it’s how you treat the team and get that done. And they’re not fearful of making mistakes, but still, always there to give their best. So So yeah, so that’s, and the fourth thing I would say, is just coaching, because coaching, in the sense, managing is one thing, but when you’re coaching, your team and team want to be their best version, they all are striving for it. And when you become a facilitator, as their managers or as their supervisors, they really appreciate that, in any languages, in any culture, everyone is striving to be better they come with that intention, the environment, or the systems might make it difficult. And then there might be some kind of, you know, difficulty making that happen. But they do really want to be better than what they are. So coaching is the future respect, recognition care. And coaching is something that is universal.

 

Amanda Setili 22:25

I agree that people want to do well, they want to learn, they want to perform well. And unless you train that out of them somehow, by making it very difficult and not appreciating it, they’re gonna do well. So just give that just empower them to be who they are, and to be good at what they do. And you’ll be fine. Because where I like to start with is it’s never the employees fault when something goes wrong. look first at how did the process mess up? How did you not reinforce them? Things like that,

 

Mitali Chopra 23:00

correct? Absolutely. Absolutely. I agree. I mean, assuming that you had the right fit for the for the role. So assuming that that’s the right fit, it’s the right person, then. Absolutely. That’s

 

Amanda Setili 23:11

right. And that’s tough sometimes. So it sounds like you think that between the different places that you’ve lived and worked the same basic four things respect, recognition, care, and coaching, are universal, and that they work in any culture. And so you didn’t have much of a hard time transitioning between different cultures,

 

Mitali Chopra 23:32

I had a language challenge, because sometimes that becomes difficult. But other than that, I did not know I did not feel very challenged working, because I was always looking forward. So I used to teach them a bit of Hindi. And they would teach me a bit of their languages that time. I think that’s also one of the thing which, you know, the creative side that I was talking about, I should get back to some more languages.

 

Amanda Setili 23:57

I think that language is a skill that I do not have. It’s one area, you know, I was raised in a family of engineers at like, you probably were at least I know, you’re an engineer. And that was so highly valued. The science and math was so highly valued. That language wasn’t what just wasn’t a priority for my family. And I just I feel like it’s a huge gap in my capabilities.

 

Mitali Chopra 24:26

I so agree with you, my dad, trust me the way you weren’t. When we were having the Connect meeting. I have the exact same replica of the family. So you just like you know, raised a family of engineers. So the only choice was to become an engineer, but yeah, right.

 

Amanda Setili 24:41

And so many things that you talk about when you’re growing up. I mean, you know, my my way of interacting with my dad was to like, look in his box of just odd ends, like wheels and sticks and stuff and try to make something that was just the way we operated as a family. I guess the other thing that I’ve noticed About you mentality is that you set really high goals for yourself and you’ve achieved a lot. You’ve excelled at everything that you’ve tried, from what I can see, is this something that everyone should do? Are there any downsides to that?

 

Mitali Chopra 25:13

Well, Amanda, I think everyone should do what they really feel like doing. And try not to get entangled with what is supposed to be done, try, at least I know, it’s easier said than done. Because I wish I could have tried harder as well. I don’t have any regrets of setting high goals for myself, I like the thrill I get in aiming for something and achieving it. So. But what can be dangerous is this never ending race, and constant comparison with peer group. That’s like a delicate balance, if that can be damaging as well, sometimes people without even knowing that there is a danger for it. It takes a lot of courage and focused and focus to stay away from the race, and yet keep excelling. Like there’s a difference.

 

Amanda Setili 26:08

Yeah, there’s races in so many different arenas of our lives to like this, your house nice to do well, it’s your job. important is your card. I mean, you know, there’s just so many places where you feel like you have to keep up with other people. And it’s, it’s not really useful. I think that having your own values, things that really matter to you. And sticking to those. You know, I often give the example. I don’t keep my house, very neat. ashamed of that in a way. But on the other hand, I do so many things that other people don’t seem to have time for. And so I’m picking, you know, being clear about your own values and pursuing what’s important to you, as you, as you stated, is so important.

 

Mitali Chopra 26:58

Yeah, I mean, it’s, there’s nothing wrong and dreaming for a bigger house, that’s fine. But wanting a bigger house, because my friend has a house when one I want to get a bigger house in there, that is the dangerous zone. But just it’s important to keep excelling otherwise, if you’re not growing, you know, in a way, I always say if you’re not growing, we are dying, it might be a slow death, we might not realize, but that’s so growth is important. And that can be in any area. But this constant in the rat race as we call and when I realized that it is a rat race and the rats are winning. Then you’re like, Okay, so I still years ago, I saw this court which said Life is a journey and not a competition. I didn’t know it may be the time. But I really love that like it is a journey. So be clear on your own solitary journey, keep excelling being a better version, keep going keep putting your own goals, that’s nothing wrong, but just just enjoy it instead of falling into the trap of this constant comparison with others.

 

27:59

So I think that’s one of the things that we do that’s very valuable as coaches is getting clear with the people that we’re coaching, what do they want to do? What did they want to achieve? What do they not care about? And just having them come to grips with what they want, and what they don’t care so much about? Because you generally can’t do everything. So I’m fascinated by this nonprofit that I think you have founded to help kids learn by playing games, and maybe I’ve got part of that wrong. But could you tell me a little bit more about that? How does it work? What are the games? What are they learning? And what are your aspirations for it? Yeah, that’s

 

28:38

a interesting area. So you know, we started this with my son because he did his last year. Because, you know, he he has entrepreneurial bent of mind. And I said, just to help him with that we came up with this idea and it’s also my passion because when I now coach, senior leaders, business leaders, I, you know, when when we actually in the coaching sessions, and we’re talking about things and their decision making styles, their their fear of things, all these things sometimes actually lead back into their childhood, the way they were raised, the way their relationship with money, their relationships with people, the way things were told to them. All of that environment has a major impact on their decision making of today. It’s quite fascinating subject I wish one day I can do some research on it and make that colder relation but I have a very strongly feel that that relation is is they’re very, very positive connection. And so I feel like very early in childhood if we can introduce entrepreneurial skill set and mindset to children. It would come really handy as a life or you know, life skill for them later on and they can benefit from it. So it’s our very early humble you know, attempt to build something which is animated course for which 20 courses with quizzes and certificates for in a very fun manner introduce that concept. One of the condition my son put on the design of the business or you know, this whole initiative was that we should not do another education program this so much of teaching. So, so the thing is, how do we introduce fun in it so that they enjoy, but they don’t feel the pressure of that it’s another topic or another subject. So it’s a fun thing. There’s a talking lizard called t U. and t u stands for TIY u, which is the entrepreneur in you. So yeah, so just named that that talking lizard is actually coaching, in a way coaching, but they don’t know that they’re being coached. But in a fun way, coaching for children, eight to I think, you know, eight to 10 year old, and he that lizard takes them to a wonderland called agoria, where businesses are run by children, and they’re doing what they love to do and solving problems of the world. And you know, there’s a store which has no plastic, so because she’s very environmental friendly, there’s a gym for kids. So you know, all those fun ideas. And then he, you know, the lizard actually takes them through a how they can build their own business. And they find they decided to build a healthy drink, energy drink for one of their friends who was always very tired. So it’s a story narrative, character led 20 episodes, where they from start to saying is aren’t businesses for kids kind of thing, and to learning the business and then doing the business. And in the quizzes, one of the question is, is it okay to fail? And the right answer is, yes. Very good. Yeah. So we just want to kind of, you know, give that early introduction to things and we have some more ideas, but we’ll see how it goes.

 

Amanda Setili 31:51

That is, so see, that’s creative. When you said you wanted to tap into your creative side, my gosh, that’s super creative. You’re doing something with it. I should not be so hard on myself. Yeah. Yeah. And you can even bring the magic and at some point, you know, yeah. That’s awesome. So I noticed in your bio, something that I haven’t seen in anyone else’s bio, which is that you’re a big believer in the karma equation and world abundance. So first, tell me a little bit about the karma equation. Explain that to me. And does that come from your Indian heritage? Or is that something you discovered, as an adult?

 

Mitali Chopra 32:31

Yeah, it’s that simple. It’s like, what you give is what you get. So the equation is good, do good things, you will get good things. And it comes from I think family and the heritage and the culture that I come from from. And because even in our, in our culture, giving away is a very important part of living. So it’s not something always is good to do when we are doing it as an initiative. It’s the way of life. And that’s why for me, it’s very difficult to say it things like you know, kindness, giving away things, helping communities, way of life, so it can’t differentiate too much. Things like I remember when we were very young, and even as a culture in the family, the first portion of the meal, so my mother will cook the meal and the first portion of the meal, like, she will take it out to be given outside always every meal. So whether to animal or to somebody, you know, like a helpers, anyone. So the first meal will go to someone outside the family, I remember, you know, sometimes you would just go and put it near the tree outside in the garden and a squirrel will eat something for birds or for you know, a dog So, so it will always it was again part of the culture. So it is quite deep rooted in us. So I think that’s why it is always there. Even in in my business or when I’m on board a client or sign a new client. I sponsor a child’s education in a school in India. So it’s, it’s always like, Okay, I get something, I give something and it’s very joyous it is that I get a thrill in signing a client. So it’s, I am very happy that happiness is great. And immediately when I call up the school and say, let’s, I want to sponsor one more child, I’m very happy there also, but I have noticed the happiness of the latter is more sweeter and calmer. There is something about that happiness while I’m happy both This is so

 

Amanda Setili 34:25

interesting. So how prevalent Would you say that belief is in Indian society? Is that mostly your family or only the rich people? Or is that like a universal belief throughout the society?

 

Mitali Chopra 34:39

Oh, it’s actually quite prevalent in not so rich people. And you’ll be amazed like most of the it’s not only about their haves and have nots, it’s like I say it’s a way of life and I think majority of people in India just culturally have that belief. Because and I’ve seen have nots like it’s a very, very diverse high radiation and lot of inequality, but people who, who do not have money, they give away time they help each other communities just help each other. They rely on each other a lot. And it is never called out as an initiative. So that’s the difference. It is part of the way of living, and they do help each other. So if they can’t help it, I am doing it like more with the financial assistant to student, somebody who would not have financial support, they will just give their time and teach your students so that you know they can they can take it forward from there.

 

Amanda Setili 35:35

So now that you’ve lived in the UK for five or six years, or maybe more, do you think that that mentality exists? In Western culture? Does it exist? Yes, it does exist? Get among some people,

 

Mitali Chopra 35:48

but But can it be more? And can it be? Can it improve? Definitely Yes, to a large degree, but I do see a lot of my friends here locally, support a lot of charities, and they they work for that. And they raise funds, especially in last one year during COVID time I’ve seen that compassion and helping each other. gone much, much, much higher. here locally, UK as well, yes,

 

Amanda Setili 36:15

you’re reminding me of a friend that a good friend that I have his Indian. And he lives in the States. And whenever we go out to eat, he’ll order more than he can eat. And then he’ll ask for to go box. And as we’re walking through town, he’ll give it to a homeless person. So he’s very similar to your mom, what your mom taught you. He probably learned that from his family as well. He does it every time to feel like you’ve already addressed the second part of that sentence in your bio the world abundance, or is there something more you can say about the world abundance? Part of it?

 

Mitali Chopra 36:49

Yeah, no, I think I’ve got word that Amanda because it’s part of it, you give more and have not not have a scarcity. See, because abundance is all about, it’s not about the quantity of things that you have, like when I have a million, then I will start this it’s not about that it’s thing is like whatever I have, I’m here to share. And when you do that, you’ll be amazed, like maybe I’m being a bit selfish, but my belief is has been validated so many times, the more I give, the more I get. So maybe it has now become a cycle I give more because I know I’ll get more and it comes back in multiples in any way in any form and shape. So somewhere, I think my belief has got cemented that this is true, somehow, I don’t know what and how but I believe in it. So but again, you know, the so many people have seen rich people with a scarcity mentality say that? They can, but they wouldn’t. So So I think it’s just a belief system.

 

Amanda Setili 37:49

What do you hope the future holds that if everyone could just have that worldview, or that in their mind, we might be able to move toward it. That’s a

 

Mitali Chopra 37:59

blue sky thinking kind of equation. I think I just want world to be a better place more happier people. But I do believe that you know, hardships and happiness like there is no concept of only happiness, there is nothing called only happiness till the time we do not have the sadness. So all of this comes in. That’s that’s what life is all about. I hope people are more aware of it and find their inner peace. That’s all. I think whatever is there, it’s fine. Let’s be more compassionate, more kind and live peacefully on this planet. We have only one home.

 

Amanda Setili 38:34

Yes. Right. Well, thank you so much Vitaly, for joining me today. It’s been a, I knew that it would be a fascinating conversation, but it’s been even more fascinating than my expectations. So I really appreciate you joining us.

 

Mitali Chopra 38:47

Thank you so much, Amanda, I loved talking to you. And thank you for giving this opportunity.

 

Amanda Setili 38:53

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